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Post subject: Technos-Samurai - Downtown Special(e) V1.0 (Famicom)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:55 am 
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Team, I propose we construct a project page, add a forum, and list this game among our completed projects here at D-D. The patch and the Readme.txt for TS-DS(e) may be downloaded at the following link.

http://www.dynamic-designs.us/wildbill/tse-v10.zip

The reason for my suggestion will become apparent when people read the documentation. Jim Price was the project team leader for TS-DS(e) (who also created our first partial patch for Destiny of an Emperor-II), Faraday did 99% of the translation, and I wrote the finished story. I believe this was my first or second script. To be sure, I'd need to compare release dates with Villgust. At any rate, both Jim and Faraday disappeared during the early 2000s. Faraday kept in touch until about 2003 or 04. And I "disappeared" from about 2004 to 2008.

Nevertheless, Faraday and I were two of the dozen or so founders of the CTC, along with Taskforce, Draken, Bongo`, Necrosaro and others. This means that Technos Samurai - Downtown Special (English) was one of our earliest CTC projects. Jim Price maintained its page for a few years, then the site went down, never to be seen again. Now, the game is buried in cyberspace and doesn't get the attention I feel it deserves.

TS-DS is a "brawler", but it's a little crazier than most of that genre - certainly non-conventional. Read the documentation, my notes and Faraday's notes (who also translated Villgust, Phantasy Star Gaiden, and parts of DoaE-II), and you will see what I mean. Better yet, load up this game and give it a whirl. Decide for yourself if it deserves to be here. As for me, I already feel this is an excellent game that belongs with the other D-D offerings and should have it's own page.


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The project page on RHDN attributes it to "Technos Samurai Translation Project" of whom this is it's sole project. I think as long as individuals who worked on it are still credited it makes sense given what you've described. However, you may want to think of it this way, if Jim Price and Faraday appeared today would they be a part of DD now? If that's the feeling then I think it's appropriate. If it's done it may be nice to have the name of the group at the time preserved in the readme somewhere for historical purposes.

This reminds me about my project to credit individuals who worked on DD projects over at RHDN. I won't go into the details. Suffice to say it's the only other post in this sub forum. :) Anyway, I did a pretty crappy job of this so far. I think I hit two projects. I'll start plugging away at this again.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:46 am 
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The project page on RHDN attributes it to "Technos Samurai Translation Project" of whom this is it's sole project. I think as long as individuals who worked on it are still credited it makes sense given what you've described. However, you may want to think of it this way, if Jim Price and Faraday appeared today would they be a part of DD now? If that's the feeling then I think it's appropriate. If it's done it may be nice to have the name of the group at the time preserved in the readme somewhere for historical purposes.

This reminds me about my project to credit individuals who worked on DD projects over at RHDN. I won't go into the details. Suffice to say it's the only other post in this sub forum. :) Anyway, I did a pretty crappy job of this so far. I think I hit two projects. I'll start plugging away at this again.
Both Jim and Faraday would be aboard D-D right now if they caught the bug again, found us, and requested to come aboard again under our newest name, especially Faraday.

Jim was a laid back, easy-going fellow who never uttered a cross word or strong opinion about anything. Faraday, on the other hand, was actually opposed to the CTC at first because he thought it would place demands on him to be at the beck and call of a hundred hackers and writers. He feared that projects would be more or less assigned to him within a large organization, but that's why the first C in CTC stood for "Confederated" - to preserve everyone's independence. For example, Musashi was a CTC founder, but he worked, mainly, out of his own group, Gaijin Productions. Musashi started the translation for Little Master-III as a CTC-Gaijin Production work. When he departed, Dackr at ST Trans picked it up, and now it's back to us, almost full circle. When we complete LM-III, we should probably dedicate it to Musashi and Dackr.

Anyway, Faraday preferred working in nuclear groups, not out of the larger CTC, so we drew the charter that way. We assured Faraday he could continue picking his projects, as he preferred and almost insisted, and he continued to work with ad hoc project teams (like in the case of TS-DS), as well as larger translation groups involved in several works, not based on who they were or what they called themselves, but the charm of the proposed game. Akujin worked in much the same way, and I believe this is the best approach for the most prolific translators, because it affords them the highest level of personal satisfaction in the hobby.

Jim, on the other hand, was happy to crack just one game, TS-DS, and prove to himself he could finish a quality translation. When he saw that DoaE-II went well beyond what he could learn in the time he had available (it went well beyond most people's abilities at the time except Taskforce's (Gizmo)and Jair's (cracked the routine that displayed Chinese Ideographs for warlords and generals)), Jim realized he was just finishing school, going to work, etc., and decided to move on to other pursuits, as many did in the early days. Had Jim stayed around, I'm sure we would have worked on more projects together, and he would have evolved with the changing group names.

Much of what we did with organizations in those days was experimentation for the best possible approach to the end-goal of enhanced productivity. The vast majority of us cared far more for the games than fiddling around with complicated web sites and creating internet personalities for ourselves. Jim fit into the majority. He maintained a rudimentary TS-DS page for a while, just for a place to organize his work and distribute the patch, but all of those links are dead now, and the boards we announced the patch on are also gone forever. There's no way to contact any team member now, based on the readme, because all of the addresses are invalid.

But I would still keep the documentation intact, mostly, updating only the contact info to D-D and explaining why we're listing it at this site. That way, the patch is still supported should a player discover something we missed in 1998. Perhaps a dedicated forum for TS-DS(e) is a bit much, but I believe it deserves it's own page and being placed on the "Completed Project" list to draw real interest and exposure again.

I know you have a ton on your plate, Matt, but I'm highly appreciative of you taking the time to address these issues in the larger community out there. I'm also pleased, sometimes, that the folks who run other web sites such as Zophar's Domain try to maintain archives, descriptions, and critiques of other people's work, but I don't believe any entity will give a specific project such tender loving care as those venues populated by members who were intimately involved in that English game's creation. Reading the review on TS-DS(e) at one of the other web sites has only reinforced my conviction.


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Post subject: Re: Technos-Samurai - Downtown Special(e) V1.0 (Famicom)
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My guess is whoever worked on the Game Boy version is unrelated?
(someone named Lando, I only found out about it when I discovered a pre-patched ROM on the Internet)


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My guess is whoever worked on the Game Boy version is unrelated?
(someone named Lando, I only found out about it when I discovered a pre-patched ROM on the Internet)
The NES version came out in 1991; the GB version followed in 1993. Jim, Faraday, and I released the NES patch in 1998. Lando did his partial GB patch in 2000. We were not associated.

Ah here's a YouTube video of ours:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOQToQg11Q


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If you liked this game you might also enjoy...
Shodai Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun

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Gideon Zhi wrote:
If you liked this game you might also enjoy...
Shodai Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun

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These games remind me of some very old arcade games I use to play back in the early
1990's. I remember one being 'Renegade'. My favorite line from that game to shocked
me was "Get lost, punk!" I believe a gang member said that after kicking the BLEEP out
of you. :)


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They're all the same series, actually! Fun fact: Shin Nekketsu Kouha: Kunio-tachi no Bannka (which I also did) is actually Renegade's sequel. Be warned though that the language in the patch is rather crude :/


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Gideon Zhi wrote:
They're all the same series, actually! Fun fact: Shin Nekketsu Kouha: Kunio-tachi no Bannka (which I also did) is actually Renegade's sequel. Be warned though that the language in the patch is rather crude :/
You want language? Listen to what the narrator of this final LP segment says toward the end when he beats the game? I put a little gag line in there just for humor, and he seems to take personal offense, just prior to the four minute mark. (Hee-hee...! My ploy worked, a jab at all of us who are hooked on video games.) Yep, this fellow really got into the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgrlaZmcDW8


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Wildbill wrote:
Gideon Zhi wrote:
They're all the same series, actually! Fun fact: Shin Nekketsu Kouha: Kunio-tachi no Bannka (which I also did) is actually Renegade's sequel. Be warned though that the language in the patch is rather crude :/
You want language? Listen to what the narrator of this final LP segment says toward the end when he beats the game?


I think we managed to squeeze the term "dickweed" into spoken dialog. And I'm pretty sure it's used by one of the girls.


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